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Hello everybody and welcome back to the Alopecia Angel podcast. I'm your host

Johanna Dahlman. Today I have a wonderful episode for you. We are going to be

talking about how. Your emotions and your emotional and spiritual health have to do

with manifesting disease and how this is linked to your physical body. We will be

speaking with Kari who is a pharmacist about this, and we will be talking more in depth

here shortly. Before we get into this to this wonderful podcast, I wanted to go ahead and

give a shout out to Linda out of Sweden, who is seeing amazing results. She is feeling

so much better, her hair shed. has lessened by 50% and she's already seen hair

growth. So kudos to you, congratulations and I look forward to hearing more.

Also, we have a really exciting video testimonial from a client and we will be sharing that

here shortly on the podcast, but you will love, love, love this because it is incredible.

She went from alopecia universalis to a full pixie cut and she is gorgeous and it is

fantastic, everything, and the words that she has to say, not just about the program, but

about how she's feeling and how she's conquering her health and her hair and living her

best life now more than ever. So I can't wait to share that, as well with you, this

testimonial here shortly, but let's get into that podcast episode first with Kari, a local

pharmacist who is, we'll be talking to you about how physical emotional and spiritual

links to physical health. Thank you.

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Johanna: Thank you, Carrie, for joining the Alopecia Angel podcast: Awaken to Hair

Growth. I'm so excited to have this conversation with you in regards to emotions and

spirituality and how this all links up to our physical health and welcome.

Kari: Thank you. So glad to be here.

Johanna: So tell me, how is it that we experience emotional and spiritual situations that

can be linked to physical health?

Kari: So just continue on with my story a little bit. I would say probably after I conceived

and and had both of my kids, honestly, I remember just having some digestive issues. In

my case, a lot of times it was on the constipated side and the more that I learned about

holistic healing, I did so many stool tests and protocols and elimination diets and all thethings that you think would alleviate a digestive issue. And even up to probably a year

ago, I was just really still struggling with this issue.

I feel like it was the Holy spirit leading, the Lord led us to just some things in my life that

I had been holding onto. I had heard that if you have constipation, that could be a signal

that you're holding on to something, but it really didn't click to me until that moment. I

needed to forgive somebody really important in my life. I was holding on to things from

the past. It wasn't until that moment that I realized: Wow, this is real. Like you hear

these things, but then you experience them and it's a whole different situation. And so

there's that for me, it was unforgiveness, obviously we shouldn't do that. God's forgiven

us, he's given us mercy, we should show mercy to other people. And so that kind of

made, brought it full circle. And ever since then, honestly, about a year, I've really been

on this journey to learn more.

Johanna: Wow, that's fascinating. Are there any other examples that you can share

with us either from your experience or maybe from clients where emotions can play into

physical health?

Kari: Yeah there's this concept of the emotion organ connection. So I know in my

practice, I look at a lot of blood panels and there's just always so many patterns of liver

stress and, it just, which makes sense. We have so many pesticides and things, even

hormones that we have to get rid of and our liver does that. We're asking a lot of our

liver, but it wasn't until I really dug into more of that: Wow, there are all these

connections, that put stress on our organs on top of everything else. And so the liver in

particular is anger and unforgiveness can go in there a little bit too and obviously those

organs play into digestion heavily delivering gallbladder.

And so that's just another sort of way that. I've really realized and help clients even see

like the connections, I'll ask, I'll ask probing questions because, I want to respect where

they're at in their journey, but something always comes up and resonates when we, start

into those conversations. And so it's interesting when you start digging deeper into

what's going on physically and a lot of times, why is it not getting better? Like we're

doing all the things that should be helping your liver, let's say, but it's just not

responding. Then you have to start digging deeper on that.

Johanna: That's a great point that you bring up doing all the things because I hear that

on a consistent basis: I'm doing that, I've done it all I get all the time via email, instant

message, like you name it, I hear this 10 times a day. " I'm doing everything"

you're not doing everything if you're still having hair loss or if you're still having health

issues of some sort, you're just not. That's really what it boils down to. If you don't see

results, then you're missing a factor maybe 2 or 3 or 4 and then on top of it, you

probably have blind spots as I like to talk about a lot.

Kari: I would consider that a blind spot probably.Johanna: Absolutely. There are many people who talk about breast cancer. There's this

one author Van der Kolk I think it is. His book is called The Body Keeps the Score.

Kari: Yes, it's definitely that concept of yes. I think before I would hear that and go:

Yeah, that makes sense. But then it's like when you experience it yourself and then you

are just led down this road, you. You really start to understand: Wow, it's like we hold on

to all of these things and I was really good at that. Like I prided myself in just being able

to compartmentalize, I didn't feel like I was an overly emotional person and I thought

that was a good thing, which I get. There's extremes, right? There's, you don't ever

show emotion and you just compartmentalize and then you're overly emotional, and I'm

certainly not saying it would be great and that will be the goal.

It's really feeling things versus just thinking about them, right? That's how we move

through and release emotions. We have to go from thinking to feeling. And even

something like anxiety is so body based, but we think it's just in our head and you can't

out think that you can't just tell yourself: I'm not anxious right now. That doesn't tend to

work.

Johanna: Yeah, I was only laughing a little bit ever so much because my, my

preschooler, he has big emotions, right? As most preschoolers do big emotions. My

husband was telling me the other day, it's better out than in you don't want to hold on to

it. It's better that he has his tantrums that he cried and he's like overdramatic at times.

That's okay.

Kari: Right, that's all I know how to do and that's not a bad thing.

Johanna: It's not a bad thing. So how do you know? And maybe what references can

you give us in terms of how the liver in this example is associated with anger? What

other areas of the body? Let's say maybe the heart or maybe the brain are associated

with what emotions or what feelings. And my other questions that on top of it, does this

have something to do with traditional Chinese medicine?

Kari: Yes, that's what I was going to say, that's definitely what this comes from. And it's

just the idea that our emotions are stored and they affect all of our whole being and of

course, there's the whole meridians conversation about how everything's connected and

The Body Keeps the Score does talk about that some. As far as the emotion connection

to the organ, like I said, liver is more so like fear, anger the lungs are grief. So

sometimes if somebody just has chronic, like asthma, or they can't get over a call for

something like that, it could be an emotional component there.

Sometimes the adrenals can definitely be fear as well. Fear is more of a, what I've

noticed is, I think we put things in big buckets, like we're just afraid or we're just anxious,

but I really love something called an emotions wheel that helps you to more get a little

bit more specific about what emotion it actually is. Like you might think it's fear, but it's

actually you're really disappointed in somebody or you're disappointed in yourself.

That's just one example, but I've found that's really helpful to actually name what you'refeeling and sit with that feeling and open it up. Of course, I would recommend opening it

up before the Lord and looking into his word and saying if I'm believing a lie or if I'm, if I

need some truth, that's where I'm going to go for the truth is his word. I really found a lot

of help in, again, identifying that emotion more on a less of a generalized basis and

more of a non specific.

Johanna: What is your take on talk therapy?

Kari: I think it can be really beneficial, but I definitely think it needs to be combined with

other things. Because, again, it's one thing to talk things out, but once you're talking

them out, you probably understand more of the way that you're feeling and then I think

you need to take that a step further and sit with it and unpack it versus just feeling like

that's talking is going to alleviate everything, if that makes sense.

Johanna: And so I've changed my mindset and my thinking of, what's going on, what's

going on with them. Because normally when people do things. they're projecting their

own situation.

Kari: Oh, yeah.

Johanna: And it can come from loved ones. I've had it where say a relative is saying:

Oh, but do you think that this XYZ negative situation could occur to you? And it's: No,

not at all. But clearly you fear that, or you feared it at some point. I can see right through

it all. I can see right through all this projection.

Kari: Yeah, I can tend to do that as well. I love though, that you mentioned keeping that

kind of keeps us in this sympathetic dominant nervous system, which really is a lot of

what this conversation boils down to, if you do continue to just repress emotions or even

believing lies that keeps you not feeling safe, right? That's what our nervous system is

constantly scanning for is safety. And so just subconsciously, our body doesn't feel safe.

And so there, it keeps us stuck in that fight or flight because our body thinks it has to be

ready to, run away from a threat, but it's really just somebody that maybe we need to

have a conversation with or something, it's not a tiger that's chasing us.

And so, our body literally can't heal if it's in that state all the time and so we have to

break that break stress cycle and try to unpack what's keeping us there.

so right. That's very true. And unfortunately a lot of times people come to me and they're

like: Wait, how did you heal? Wait, is this even possible? Wait, Google says there's no

cure. Wait, my doctor said there's no cure. That's it, like autoimmune disease or my

alopecia or my hair loss or the miniaturization of the follicles or the female pattern

baldness, that's it. Like the scarring, alopecia, whatever title or tag that they wanna put

on or label. They come to me and they're like: Wait, this doesn't make sense. How are

you able to heal and heal yourself and others when all these tags out there from internet

or doctor sources say that it's impossible, when, it really is possible. It's just, it needs to

be a very tailored one on one approach versus, a one size fits all, Rogaine or a one sizefits all, minoxidil or laser cap or anything else, because none of that stuff will get down

to your root cause.

Yeah, I see a lot of clients, I know you're a lot more specialized and I'm more, general,

let's say. But I just see people, almost every single person that comes in, they're just in

this fix it mentality. They just want their problem fixed and I totally understand that.

Nobody wants to feel bad, nobody wants to lose their hair, nobody wants that, but yet. I

just have to think there's a reason why this is happening. And again, that mindset is so

important. God's given you everything you need to heal. Like he's led you, to where you

are because he's giving you, he's providing a way and that in itself gets us out of that

fight or flight mentality. It even for just a minute. Mindsets don't change overnight

typically. And so it's just over time, just trying to look at the situation before you a little bit

differently, that makes a huge difference.

Johanna: I will say that knowing that we can heal and knowing that we are made to

heal is a fantastic first step. But I will say the other side of that is not just like sitting on

the couch.

Kari: Exactly.

Johanna: You need to take action, and I think that's what a lot of people lack is the

action and strategic action. Because again, this goes to all of you out there saying: Oh,

I've done it all, I've done it all. And if you've done it all, you would see results. And so if

you don't have the results, then you really haven't done it all or maybe it's not in the

strategic format for you, for what you truly need. And so this is the key piece, because I

know I'm sure as a practitioner or yourself, you tailor the things to each person because

never. Is anything one size fits all, whether it's hair loss, liver issues, or heart condition,

it's never one size fits all. It has to be definitely tailored to each person.

I think that's the key takeaway is that yes, the body can tell us a lot of things. I love how

you brought in the meridians and the TCM, traditional Chinese medicine. I've had

somebody on the podcast talk about acupuncture and all that, I myself I've worked with

Feng Shui experts, which also deals with a lot of traditional Chinese values and things.

And so, it is all connected. Normally when you have hair loss or any health issue,

there's always more tied to it. Maybe it is, and maybe it's not emotion, but there's

definitely something to investigate.

Kari: Definitely. And I think that, like you said, everybody's different and we just have to

I guess examine and maybe self reflect on some things. Obviously I would ask the Lord,

to reveal why am I here? What do I need to learn from this? Because I just feel like it's

always part of refining and growing the experiences that we have. So yeah, I love this

conversation. Thank you for having me.

Johanna: Oh, my pleasure. I will say just to add on that sometimes, in business, in

general, we don't bring up the Lord so much, but in times of dire need, which my clients,

I feel for them, they're losing their hair, they're at their wits end they have tried manythings and it's all failed. And so they come to me, we speak, and then they're like: Lord,

send me a sign, send me a sign. And so that's when, that's actually when it comes up,

when we're having a consultation call or something, and they're like: God, send me a

sign. Lo and behold, they get their sign and then we start working together.

It's unfortunate that in times of desperate need, we're you know, we're reaching out

instead of having candid conversations on a daily basis. But sometimes, I also feel for

those out there, cause I was probably one of them where you have to reach rock bottom

in order to get back up. There's no shame, it's just: Hey, that's where you're at. And you

can still get out, you can still heal, you can still, have better days ahead of you, but

there's always hope. Anything else you'd like to leave our listeners with? Anything that

you'd like to share or end with?

Kari: Yeah, sure. Sometimes I feel like in this space, we're always constantly searching

and looking for what we could add in or what we could change about, our routine,

etcetera. And so often I feel like there's an invitation to just take a step back and not

consume so much information and just have peace about. And really. I feel seek the

Lord and his guidance because there's so many voices out there and sometimes it gets

very overwhelming, conflicting information that you find, or just have this feeling that

need that you have to figure it out.

Sometimes he's leading you to work with somebody because I've seen just like the

energy shift when, okay, I don't have to search on Google so much, right? I don't have

to feel like I need to figure it out because God's led me to somebody that's going to help

me.

So again, it's so individualized with what you need, but sometimes the answer is not

Googling or following more people on social media or adding one more thing in.

Sometimes it's we need more quiet, we need more stillness so that we can tune in.

Johanna: Sometimes less is more. Everything what you need to be doing right now and

focusing on that and being consistent is more key than trying to add in another or add in

another practice or add in else that's going to take away mental, physical and emotional

space from you, which isn't necessary, including, negative people and things and, social

media, etcetera.

Kari: Definitely. I love that. It's just, this world has gotten really consumer driven and

just, the information is great. That's out there. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's just

a lot and we have to. We have to be aware of that, right? And put up boundaries

sometimes.

Johanna: That's the problem too. I posted on Instagram many times about how you can

go into a bookstore, right? You go into Barnes and Noble and you see this huge shelf,

multiple tiered shelf of at least a hundred books, if not more. On nutrition or on a certain

diet or on how to heal some sort of chronic disease or how to do this or how to do that in

terms of health and wellness and a lot of that is conflicting. A lot of that doesn't pertainto, I'd say, for example, my people who are dealing with hair loss, a lot of it doesn't

pertain maybe to your clients.

This is where. I think consumers in general get very confused, misguided and led to the

wrong area. So for example I've had numerous clients come from medical medium to

me because they've done medical medium, they've done like the celery juice and it

backfired. And so then all of a sudden they've shed so much.

Kari: Oh gosh.

Johanna: I know. And it's horrible, right? You think this is going to help you and it

backfires. And then they come to me and then finally they're seeing the hair growth. And

so these options, I like to say when it's a one size fits all approach, doesn't necessarily

work for everybody. We all know somebody who's done Atkins and it's backfired. We

already know someone who's done some sort of South Beach diet, right?

Kari: Are people still really doing that?

Johanna: I can go on and on about these fad diets or anything else, and none of it has

worked or worst case scenario, it backfires and it's like everything back and it's just like

you feel helpless or stuck and then now you have ozempic and all these other things

and that too backfires, that too causes hair loss. It's just a never ending situation cycle

and so You're on and if you're a listener and you're on this hamster wheel of trying a lot

of things or trying to chase your tail to find the solution on your own, a don't be, I think

the best thing is to find somebody who's shown and has the results, so that you can feel

confident about working with them.

And I think to understand that every approach has to be personalized, whether it's hair

loss or fatigue or anything in between, it has to be personalized.

Kari: Amen, I agree. Get off the hamster wheel.

Johanna: Yes. Anything else that you'd like to share?

Kari: No, that was great. I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope it was beneficial

to your listeners. Thanks for having me on.

Johanna: Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed this too.